tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30754098.post5833502796898994775..comments2024-03-26T08:01:01.445-04:00Comments on 78 Notes to Self: A Tarot Journal: Luck O' The IrishGinny Claytonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03759784851970527096noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30754098.post-14584878003380988322013-05-23T09:45:14.530-04:002013-05-23T09:45:14.530-04:00Yup. That free will versus determinism is a bit o...Yup. That free will versus determinism is a bit of a misleading distinction. It's more of a confluence or network or interchange of multiple factors and it can be difficult to ascribe specifics to either side. For example you might be free to act in a certain way but your choices could be defined by your social environment and culture. Whatever choice you make is always already inscribed within a context you haven't freely chosen. And that's just at a mundane level. There's no absolute freedom. I'm not even sure what that would look like with no context. TarotdonTarothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05512088576540473599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30754098.post-71320447607948146422013-05-22T22:58:13.344-04:002013-05-22T22:58:13.344-04:00Donna, thank you for your thoughtful and thought-p...Donna, thank you for your thoughtful and thought-provoking comment. Fortuna has a way of getting those wheels turning. Forgive me, I couldn't resist. Yet the whole concept has puzzled us forever. How much of life is fated and how much is luck and do we make our own fates and luck and if so, how much? My view is -- it depends how you respond to all that conspires, including yourself, to bring you this elaborate thing called Your Life. Ginny Claytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03759784851970527096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30754098.post-69327068618792702942013-05-22T21:45:13.947-04:002013-05-22T21:45:13.947-04:00Super post. Agree that it is psychologically damag...Super post. Agree that it is psychologically damaging to suggest that, say, a rape victim, has either "attracted" the violation or that it is part of some Supra-sensible Architectural Grand Plan designed for spiritual edification. This amounts to an apologia for the harm by displacing it from human responsibility into the sphere of the ineffable and minimises or devalues the injustice suffered. It worries me hugely when our human sphere of moral injury is attributed to Divine agency. As for the Everything is in Divine and Perfect Order thesis - very comforting but it's a corruption of Leibniz - I'm going to have to do a post about Leibniz on my blog now I've read this. And yes, Satu, the issue of forgiveness is immensely complex: the reason people find it so hard to forgive and "move on" is because one has been treated as lacking worth or value - to forgive that could be to say yep, you didn't matter. Which is unacceptable. People do just throw out the concept of forgiveness as if it's obvious what that would mean and pay no attention to what it entails. Oh, and yes Leibniz did have God as the Master Plan Ginny - your hunch is quite right. He called it pre-established harmony and the Everything is in Divine and Perfect Order is extrapolated in an attenuated version of his Principle of Sufficient Reason. As God is good this must be the best of all possible worlds. Drop God out of the picture and you're in trouble. Nor could he account for free-will (tried to but unconvincing). Voltaire responded with "Candide", the satire with Dr Pangloss. I will shut-up now, you touched a nerve that bothers me too. Thanks for this post. TarotdonTarothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05512088576540473599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30754098.post-89961267620934763612013-04-15T18:23:54.854-04:002013-04-15T18:23:54.854-04:00There are, of course, those uncontrollable events,...There are, of course, those uncontrollable events, tragedies, joyous occasions, and moments that take our breath away that we had nothing to do with. And these events could very well have an impact on us, our lives, and our future choices. So there is some "fate" involved in our lives, but what tends to make the difference is how we use those events to change us, whether we will dig deep and bring up good or not so good.Ginny Clayton Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429211666726488097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30754098.post-90948134019605651682013-04-15T16:48:09.878-04:002013-04-15T16:48:09.878-04:00Ginny, I really like this post. I very much agree....Ginny, I really like this post. I very much agree. I am of the school that says, "you made your bed, now you sleep in it." That is my view of karma. But you said it much better. Sometimes we think that fate plays a part, but I think that sometimes we make mistakes that we don't even notice and that snowball. And sometimes we contribute small acts of kindness that we think are nothing special but also snowball in good ways (Pay it forward philosophy?)Like Ellie (Jodi Foster) says in Contact "Funny, I've always believed that the world is what we make of it."myowntunehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02224572512456130860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30754098.post-14340204070632377562013-03-24T13:46:00.721-04:002013-03-24T13:46:00.721-04:00I think there are a very few 'fated' situa...I think there are a very few 'fated' situations - more like karmic contracts although how even these manifest often has much to do with how we respond to them. I don't see us as being puppets of the Gods but I do think there is a greater pattern, an overall story arc to our lives.<br />Often in readings I notice how the outcome changes according the the Querant's process - or mine for that matter! As you say, much of the time we make our own 'luck' and our own perspective on life can influence how the hand dealt is played.<br />Lovely post.Leah Whitehorsehttp://www.luatarot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30754098.post-9514052670068574452013-03-20T04:57:13.961-04:002013-03-20T04:57:13.961-04:00My thoughts exactly. While I do believe that we ca...My thoughts exactly. While I do believe that we can "attract" certain things into our lives by changing our perception or attitude I would never go as far as saying that you choose or attract the negative things. Some things just "happen" to you. I think it's dangerous to simplify life like that. Saying that everything happens for a reason can also cause feelings of "guilt". I don't like the idea that for example someone who was abused has "attracted" it to learn a lesson. That kind of thinking most likely won't help but add to their torment as in: it's your fault, you wanted it like that. I'm not a big fan of "you have to forgive everyone" either. Perhaps in the long run but I think negative emotions are also a part of our lives and it's important we acknowledge them and I don't think I could "forgive" someone who murdered my child. Not right away anyway...it's a long process of working through all kinds of emotions and coming to terms with what happened. I would also agree that I could never accept that it happened "for a reason". That kind of thinking is a bit dangerous in my view. Satuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01006690023752202536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30754098.post-48108400203005042122013-03-19T18:23:23.438-04:002013-03-19T18:23:23.438-04:00I think a lot of people do view "it happened ...I think a lot of people do view "it happened for a reason" as a way to make the best of all experiences, and that is a very positive thing. The way I have heard it expressed sometimes, though, is troubling to me because it seems to be based on an assumption that there is some Master Plan in the works that predisposes the awful things to happen just so we may learn something from them. Tragedies are often met with this kind of trite sentiment which I see as a way of side-stepping grief. How do some people tell someone whose child was murdered that "everything happens for a reason?" What kind of well-meaning but very callous response is that? While I think it's very healthy and positive to find the meaning one looks for in hindsight and to apply that meaning and wisdom to future experiences, I think we can do so without thinking it was all set up or "fated" from the beginning.Ginny Clayton Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18429211666726488097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30754098.post-70330052688087415552013-03-19T06:20:38.604-04:002013-03-19T06:20:38.604-04:00Great post. I like your take on "fate". ...Great post. I like your take on "fate". In a way it's only a different way of looking at "everything happens for a reason" and I share this view. Sometimes we are just "randomly" presented with stuff in life but the crucial point is what we make of it and how we perceive it. Do we see it as bad luck and being punished or do we accept it as part of our life journey and an experience that makes us who we are (i.e. it happened "for a reason")? It makes one hell of a difference. <br />I've had a lot of rocks on my road recently but I still consider myself an extremely lucky person for various reasons and that really helps. As you say, perseverance and humour get you through a lot. Satuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01006690023752202536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30754098.post-49177617802380907292013-03-17T21:01:22.005-04:002013-03-17T21:01:22.005-04:00I believe in "Everything (bad that I'm tr...I believe in "Everything (bad that I'm trying to put a positive spin on) happens for a reason," but I actually think there are three "reasons":<br />1. I made a not-so-great-choice<br />2. I didn't make any choice, which by default is number 1 above.<br />3. Life happened and I (unfortunately) was standing in the middle of the street when it did.<br />:D<br />Great post, as always!thesycamoretreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15182019323050600440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30754098.post-72647608151135819802013-03-17T16:17:12.253-04:002013-03-17T16:17:12.253-04:00Very good!Very good!AugustoCrowleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04794728060665693136noreply@blogger.com